San Jose Hockey Now Podcast
How Should Sharks Attack Trade Deadline? | Demers on Sherwood, Ferraro, Misa, Mukhamadullin
How should the San Jose Sharks approach the upcoming Trade Deadline?
Jason Demers, NHL Network star and San Jose Hockey Now Podcast friend, shares his thoughts with insider Sheng Peng and beer league champ Zubair Jeewanjee. (1:00)
Before that, Demers, who was in Milan, talks Macklin Celebrini at the Olympics. He’s also excited about Michael Misa’s development!
So who should the San Jose Sharks trade for, if anybody, at the Deadline? (30:04) Demers suggests a host of names like Michael Kesselring, Braden Schneider, and Zach Whitecloud. He also says no to a few names, and bats around impact defensemen like Adam Fox and Josh Morrissey.
Will the Sharks keep or trade Kiefer Sherwood or Mario Ferraro?
Next, how does prospects guru Keegan McNally think the San Jose Sharks should approach the Trade Deadline? (1:01:17)
Sheng and Keegan agree: “Buy responsibly.”
Should the Sharks keep or flip Sherwood?
What did we make of what Ryan Warsofsky said about analytics and Sherwood versus Collin Graf on the Celebrini line? (1:31:14)
Finally, Keegan breaks down top 2026 Draft prospect Chase Reid’s game! (2:02:36)
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This is just garbage for someone who may want to listen to hours of podcasts.
If someone wants to listen to hours of podcasts, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure, I suppose.
I’m probably overthinking it cuz I took an edible a bit ago, but what does your comment even mean?
Is the issue that the podcast is too short in duration, and you may want to listen to a few hours more? Or are you saying it’s just low quality?
If you don’t like podcasts, I used to be able to relate, until I realized it’s like the reincarnation of talk radio. Talk radio is back under a new name, and more popular than ever!
1.5x speed. 1.25x with an edible.
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Yup
Maybe you’re in the wrong room?
Curious.. Dallas Stars are very ‘win now’
Any chance they can pull Lian Bishel out of Dallas perhaps for Sherwood + Liljegren. Maybe add a pick if needed. Players they can use now.
I liked what I’ve seen from Bishel, though I’m not sure my take is fully accurate. In Dallas, he’s getting 3rd pair minutes. He’s not helping them now and that’s a big step up at forward. Style-wise, he’s very different from Liljegren, but maybe not better at this point.
For what its worth, there was a rumor last year that Grier wanted Bichsel instead of only picks in the Granlund/Ceci trade and it was supposedly a no go for Dallas.
I hope Grier doesn’t trade any more draft picks for UFA players for the slight chance of a wild card for the playoffs. He should trade the UFA Sherwood, but unfortunately he may get as little as a late second round pick. Sherwood may still have a hand injury and based on his games with the Sharks (a small number) he hasn’t proven he can fairly quickly have a significant positive impact for a new team. In a trade today, Chicago only received a 2028 second round pick from Edmonton for UFA defenseman Connor Murphy. Regarding the physical play of… Read more »
He’s unlikely to get less than what he paid IMO. Not at the TDL where more bidding actually happens.
Rentals are worth more when you trade for them earlier as you get to have the guy play more for you.
only if it’s like 2 playoff runs. At the TDL it’s like last call and teams pay more. Vancouver settled for 2x 2nds.
You can just as easily claim that at the deadline sellers have to settle for the best they can get.
But eventually you have to acknowledge what the evidence tells you. I know this is the Internet, but still
Oh, please do provide your evidence that teams pay more for the same player at the deadline than they would have a month prior.
If that were the case, there would be a business of some teams making deals for players earlier in the season so they can profit off trading the same player at the deadline. This does not happen because that is not how it works.
Wrong… again. Just take the L. Looks like you get your victory lap with Sherwood starting on a different line tonight. To be fair though, I didntbplan for him to be so long coming back from injury. But hey enjoy it. You’ll be right for a change. I give you permission.🙂
seeing as how it’s the internet, contrarian is also a personality type. 😉
Except that’s not what history has shown us. TDL is when the best offers come out. It’s why Hertl and Walman were moved when they were. It’s why the overwhelmingly majority of in season deals happen at the TDL. Sorry man, you’re simply wrong on this one. Doesn’t mean he 100% will get back the same or better? No. Does history lean toward getting a better return? Yes.
Your assertions are not correct. And as usual, I have provided some information that proves I am correct and all you have is unsupported claims of what history has shown. There is no world where 35 games of Player X are worth less than 20 games of Player X, if the player is good. Sometimes, you could get lucky and a circumstance like an injury to someone on an interested team means you can get more, but those are the exception. The most deals are completed at the deadline because it’s a deadline, not because it’s when you get the… Read more »
lol! Sure buddy.
I do like Keegan’s thought to move Sherwood + Mario + Liljegren and take those assets ++ two(?) 1sts for Adam Fox.
You’re going to need way more to get Adam Fox than 2 1sts and some 2nds. The starting point for a Fox trade probably starts with Eklund/Dickinson, Bystedt/Musty, and a 1st and would probably end up being a bit more than that.
Assume Sherwood + Mario + Liljegren gets the equivalent of a 1st + 2nd
That’s three 1sts + 2nd for Fox. That seems about right. Fox is top 10, but not top 5. The key is whether Fox wants to force his way out of NYR and wants to come to SJS.
Also said I’d offer 3 of Bystedt, Lund, Musty and Halttunen — the folks up here didn’t seem to like that. But its roughly the equivalent of 3 firsts.
In what world is 3 of Bystedt, Lund, Musty, and Halttunen roughly equal to 3 1sts?
All would probably 1st rd picks in a re-draft. They’re all good prospects so they’re closer to NHL ready than actual picks.
I think you’re kidding yourself if you think a team would view Lund or Halttunen as the same value as a 1st round pick. Maybe Musty and Bystedt depending on their evaluations of them.
Maybe not Lund but in a redraft for Halttunen? Absolutely goes in the 1st round.
I like Lund better than Haltunnen actually
Me too.
i agree with you the majority but sorry not on this.
Musty and Bystedt are definitely 1st still where they were originally drafted.
Lund and Tuna would not be 1sts in a re-draft.
Lund might be. By now, a lotta 1sts have already crapped out and Lund looks like a player
Halttunen had a slow start, but has been really positive since mid-January
’til mid-January
33games 14pts -8
since mid-January
15games 10 pts +9
He’s also still 19.
He is a 6/2005 birthday, so very solidly 20
I think we had better tread carefully with our 1st rounders this year. It is one thing to be giving up non-lottery firsts in the back half of the first round. But whether we make the playoffs is dicey, at best. And EDM – everyone assumes they’ll make it, but consider: They’re now clinging to WC2, everyone has games in hand on them, and they can’t seem to really put things together. Their remaining schedule includes: CAR, VEGx3, COLx2, DAL, UTAx2, TB, ANA – In total, 13 of their last 21 games are against teams tied or ahead of them… Read more »
Yup. Personally I have very little to attest in Fox especially at a premium. Clearly you’re not contending with him as your #1D.
“very little interest…”
Doubt it’s that dramatic.
As always when breath gets spent on trading for Adam Fox, the chances of him both waiving his no movement clause and also doing it to go play on the west coast are as close to zero as possible without him coming right out and saying it.
When he went to the Rangers, they were competitive. Now they are not. I’m not saying San Jose is all of a sudden his dream town, but things may change for him
Not sure why the Rangers would want three expiring assets.
I thought it was trading them away then using the return for Fox…?
C’mon, you can do better than that. They’re not dead yet.
They’d all be RFA in their next deals, cost controlled on two-way deals. They’re all ready for NHL games, but the Sharks haven’t had the roster spots to bring them up.
And if NYR is re-tooling — which feels more like a rebuild — why not get a line’s worth of players? Upside for Musty is top line wing, Bystedt 2nd line C, Lund 3rd line wing (most predictable) and Halttunen top line wing (he’s got the most variation).
So Keegan wants the Sharks to use the draft picks for trades but not 1st rounders unless they are for a major upgrade. This goes back to my issue. What picks? Over the next 4 drafts we have 3 2nds (one is Colorado’s which is basically a 3rd) and 1 3rd. Where are the picks the Sharks should use at the deadline this year? We aren’t flush with picks like a Chicago or Pittsburgh. At least with Sheng he’s suggesting trading Ferraro for a 2nd then using said 2nd to get Whitecloud who fits the roster a bit better being… Read more »
Let’s see what they get for whoever they move.
Oh dude…there you go being all pragmatic and shit. 😀
Shhh… don’t tell my wife!
We just got Sherwood, but I believe he’s available. The other 3…don’t touch them. Show loyalty to Marco. I say stand pat and let the team play the hand they have.
What do we think it’d take to pry Yakemchuk from Ottawa?
Not going to happen.
That’s not the question I asked, but I’ll play along…why? He’s been named as potentially available this week.
Who said he was available? Was it a legit site? They’re not a contender yet and he’s a rising potential #1RD. The GM likely gets canned for moving a player like that. Especially with some of their D-core aging out.
Named by whom? There’s a lot of bullshit on the internet but only a small handful of insiders who actually know anything.
I’m not the biggest fan of him
Good news, most deals aren’t made on whether one fan dos or doesn’t like a player. If that was the case, Pickles would have been traded in his rookie season for sure. Also, this response doesn’t answer the question. You don’t have to reply to something just to reply. If a specific question is presented, you can choose to just not reply if you don’t have an answer.
You’re getting these responses because it’s like asking what it would cost to get Levshunov out of Chicago. Ain’t gonna happen. But for the sake of the exercise… if he’s fallen out of favor there? Are we assuming they want picks and prospects or immediate help? Considering their place in the standings, let’s say immediate help ish? Maybe 1 for 1 for Dickinson? Maybe Eklund and Sherwood and edm 1st? Maybe Eklund, Ferraro and a 1st? Dudes gonna be expensive. I’m not great at the minutia of value so it could be without the 1st or Sharks might need to… Read more »
Actually, me and Mike Grier talk a lot and it turns out he really cares what I think and makes trades based on that. So you should be nice to me or I’m telling him to keep Klingberg
I knew it!
Oh, and pleeeeeeze don’t tell him to keep Klingy.
I’m glad I didn’t need emojis
That’s a little extreme. No one should be made to suffer like that.
He would be the best offensive defensive prospect by a long way if the Sharks somehow got him. May not be an all situations defender but he would be lethal developing with the Sharks young forwards.
Is Dickinson no longer a prospect? Because I think Dickinson’s offensive ability is in another galaxy from Yakemchuk. If we are comparing Yakemchuk to not in the NHL guys, maybe Pohlkamp is the one I’d like to say might be at that level. Yakemchuk’s size is obviously a big plus.
I guess I’m really saying I don’t want him at his cost. As has been said, he wouldn’t come cheap
I think you might need to watch him more. There’s a reason he was drafted ahead of Dickinson. He’s light years ahead of Polkamp.
Yeah, he was drafted ahead of Dickinson, and for reasons that could be justified at the time. And maybe he ends up the better player in the long run – too early to say. However, virtually any rankings you look at now for U23 players, and virtually any redraft you look at, Dickinson is well ahead of him. From what I’ve read, Yakemchuk hasn’t been developing as well as hoped. I definitely wouldn’t trade him for Dickinson now – it would actually move the rebuild backwards, at least in the short term (even if you believe Yakemchuk will eventually be… Read more »
Dickinson looks to be an all situations guy just as he was projected but Yakumsmakum projects as a legit #1RD who can drive offense and run a PP1. I’m not sold on Dickinson been the contending Sharks PP1 QB.
A bit miffed by the lack of movement to this point. Guessed that at least a few deals (and re-signings) would happen on the heels of the end of the freeze. Didn’t happen. We’re just a few days from the deadline and there’s only been a few deals. One aspect of deals this season, the condensed schedule means there’s very little practice time available to most teams. The most underrated aspect of trades is the time for players to effectively integrate with their new teams. There are a lot of trades which look better on paper than turn out in… Read more »
Standings are too tight.
LeBrun said that + double retention going away + the ability for everyone to sign their FA + more interest in longer term deals over rentals.
Or maybe its that many teams are just happy to be there given longer droughts — not wanting to go ‘all in’ because they know they’re not really Cup contenders. Teams like DET, BUF, ANA, SJS, UTA, SEA
Exactly. None of those teams are in an all-in year. Even teams that are farther along the rebuild like DET and ANA maybe want to see what their existing roster can do in the playoffs before tinkering more. Yzerman especially is conservative with roster moves.
Maybe the flood gates open over the next two days? Maybe they don’t open at all? Specifically to SJ, I believe Grier stated he’s fine running to the end of the season with his UFA players. Of course you’d like to see some kind of returns for guys like Ferraro, Liljegren, and Sherwood rather than see them walk to FA. Maybe he gets a deal done by TDL, maybe he gets them to agree to an extension – excluding Liljegren – that isn’t unreasonable. Maybe he can miraculously leverage a couple as trade chip throw-ins at the draft. The other… Read more »
I think as this team switches from rebuild mode to competitive mode, fans will have to accept the fact there will be some rentals…including own rentals.
I also think guys like Ferraro and Liljegren are not such big names that it’ll be impossible for them to sign after the deadline or even after July 1.
Grier said that prior to acquiring Sherwood. I don’t believe he’s fine with Sherwood being a rental. It’s sign him or trade him before the deadline IMO.
I think the new cap structure maybe stalled some movement. Teams can’t hide players on LTIR ahead of the playoffs to dodge cap restrictions anymore. It’s also a weird one where the best players teams have to sell have term and so there’s no pressure to move them. But for the Sharks, I think Grier might be looking to stand pat. They are out of the playoffs as of today. BUT…they are only a few points out with games in hand over the next closest teams. Too close to give up, but too far to be spendthrift. And there’s also… Read more »
Correct. Think LeBrun mentioned the playoff cap structure, too. I should have mentioned that.
From a playoff hunt perspective, GMMG was smart to get Sherwood early. I’m not really on board with the larger approach, but on the approach he’s taking, getting Sherwood early was a good call. It really does take time to integrate players.
At this point, nothing would surprise me before the close of the tdl. No moves, small moves, big moves…I’m prepared for any of it. Are we itching to get excited, and hope MG provides a tonic for the collective anxiety? Sure. Does that matter? No. It’s a very strange landscape in the NHL presently, and someone in some team’s front office is gonna get a trigger finger. Maybe that will be the impetus for a crazy ride in the next few days, who knows? I’m just gonna hope the team gets on a good winning streak and we’re in the… Read more »
I’m on board with the winning streak idea. Good for us fans, even better for the players.
Yeah, it’s time to shine
Yep based on his presser I get the sense that he’s is quite content with this roster and he really just needs to get Sherwood signed.
Warso should definitely tell the team to go on a winning streak, I’m on board with that
While I would love nothing more than to see this team go a long way in the playoffs, it just isn’t the team to do it. Grier needs to shore up the defense in the off-season. Regarding this trade deadline, I can see Grier buying and selling, but nothing too major. I think it would be in the teams best interest to get some picks back for some UFA’s, then let some of the young guns in the system get their feet a bit more wet with the big club. And who knows, maybe that youthful energy and obvious skill… Read more »
Only problem is most of the UFAs are on D and there really aren’t that many options to reasonably promote from the AHL. I guess maybe if they’re hoping to sign Polkamp and play him in the NHL that could be one spot?
Zubair!! Talking about how thick and developed Celly’s neck is and how it prevents concussions! My dude!!! lol!