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Quick Thoughts: Why Marleau Over Leonard?; Boughner, Dubnyk Go Off
Bob Boughner was unhappy with the linesman calling Patrick Marleau on a faceoff violation – some San Jose Sharks fans were unhappy with fourth-liner Marleau taking John Leonard’s spot on the second line with Tomas Hertl and Timo Meier at the beginning of the middle frame.
The frustration over this maneuver is understandable: The 41-year-old Marleau has just a goal and four assists this season – and he looks like a shadow of even last season’s already-declining version of himself. Meanwhile, Leonard is a genuinely exciting rookie, one of the bright spots in a mostly disappointing San Jose campaign.
“Johnny had a tough first period. He actually played better when he went down on that line. I thought Patty played better when he went up. It just changed the look of it,” Boughner offered.
I see Boughner’s perspective too. Guaranteed, he is trying to win the game with this move. So what is he seeing in Marleau over Leonard, at least for one night?
These two second period plays were possible examples.
In a tight game, against an aggressive forechecking side, breaking the puck out can be trench warfare, one inch at a time. We see that here: Mario Ferraro (38) absorbs a Sammy Blais (9) hit to get Brent Burns (88) the puck. Burns shovels it forward to John Leonard (43), beating Mike Hoffman (68). Leonard is now a Dakota Joshua (54) from getting the puck out of the zone to Fredrik Handemark (37).
It doesn’t happen. Now I’m not saying this specific play is why Leonard got demoted – it could happen to anyone, Marleau included – but it’s also the type of detail play that Boughner wants Leonard to work on. Maybe Marleau gets the puck out 9 out of 10 times, the rookie 8 out of 10 right now. This kind of stuff matters.
Here’s the reverse, from Marleau:
That’s Marleau (12) who shovels it forward after a Nikolai Knyzhov (71) pass. It doesn’t get out, but it’s forward progress. More importantly, Marleau keeps his feet going and blocks Vladimir Tarasenko’s (91) attempt to toss the puck back down. Then Marleau bullies past Tarasenko and bats the puck out past Robert Bortuzzo (41), into the neutral zone. That’s tough, solid wall play.
I know, I know, nobody wants to hear about the details. But a good line isn’t always made up of your three most-skilled forwards. Just recently, Matt Nieto made a good show with Hertl and Meier because he’s a reliable, detail-oriented fit. Skill forwards can often use a “junkyard dog” to get them the puck. It wouldn’t surprise me if Boughner was thinking something like that, looking for someone to handle some of the dirty work for Hertl and Meier.
“I didn’t think Hertl’s line had many touches in the first period,” Boughner said. “It was just to mix things up, really.”
It didn’t work, but it was a reasonable gambit. You also have to consider the options too: If Leonard isn’t buzzing, and let’s say you’re keeping your first and third lines intact, Marleau becomes the clear choice to step up over Fredrik Handemark and Antti Suomela. And is Leonard’s ceiling so consistently high right now, he shouldn’t ever be demoted?
It’s an approachable status for Leonard – to some degree, Timo Meier and Kevin Labanc are examples of younger forwards who have earned more rope after mistakes – but Leonard isn’t quite there yet either. Hence, Marleau.
Back to Jones?
Four goals against on 20 shots later, the San Jose Sharks’ goaltending situation appears to be in flux again.
Boughner didn’t spell it out this time, but he said enough: “We gave up eight chances against in a back-to-back game.”
That’s not a lot of chances to give up, period. In other words, Devan Dubnyk needed to be better. It’s the second straight subpar performance from him, will he get another chance on Monday versus Los Angeles?
It’s not an enviable choice for Boughner: Dubnyk’s .899 Save % or Jones’s .890. But it appears the San Jose goaltending carousel is soon to start up again.
Boughner, Dubnyk Fired Up About Faceoff Violation Penalty
Tied game in the third period, Patrick Marleau was whistled for a faceoff violation penalty.
The turning point in tonight's game… What are your thoughts on the penalty given to Marleau? pic.twitter.com/uGvZlptjfv
— Sharks on NBCS (@NBCSSharks) March 21, 2021
Quick Ryan O’Reilly goal off the draw, the San Jose Sharks are down 3-2, on their way to a 5-2 loss. Bob Boughner and Devan Dubnyk were not happy.
Boughner, on Faceoff Violation penalty: "It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous…Brutal, brutal call."
— Sheng Peng (@Sheng_Peng) March 21, 2021
Boughner: "It's Patty Marleau, by the way. The guy's going to set Gordie Howe's record & you threw him in the box…use your head."
Hertl: "I never saw a guy, has 1,700 games, even if he cheats like crazy, get kicked out…When I saw it, I think Patty just timed it great."
— Sheng Peng (@Sheng_Peng) March 21, 2021
Bob Boughner didn’t hold back when asked about the faceoff violation called on Patrick Marleau pic.twitter.com/tnBevYosEl
— Sharks on NBCS (@NBCSSharks) March 21, 2021
Dubnyk, on Faceoff Violation penalty: "It's embarrassing. We're playing a game that we consider a playoff game…It's Mickey Mouse."
— Sheng Peng (@Sheng_Peng) March 21, 2021
"It's embarrassing, it's Mickey Mouse." – Devan Dubnyk on the faceoff violation called in the third period pic.twitter.com/qlk90vbXRL
— Sharks on NBCS (@NBCSSharks) March 21, 2021
Marleau says he doesn't think he's ever had that penalty called against him. Didn't receive any explanation: "Obviously, [they] thought I cheated or turned too quickly on the draw. I guess that was the reasoning?"
Says he still doesn't think he cheated after watching replay
— Sheng Peng (@Sheng_Peng) March 21, 2021
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PM is sub replacement level these days, SP. i dispute him being the “clear choice” to move up to the Hertl line. Sorensen or Donato would’ve been better IF a change was needed, and i don’t concede that, considering how well the line was playing against it’s comp at the time. even PM being on the ice for the Hertl goal was a play started behind the Sharks’ net by EK65 getting a pass over to Knyzhov thru a Blues forechecker, and then Knyzhov making a nice cross ice pass to Meier on the far boards, and another nice pass… Read more »
Like I said, “clear choice” versus his 4th-line linemates. Anyway, on the larger point, while I think Marleau is still playable, he’s not playable in a way that he MUST be in your line-up (like he was last year). He’s just another guy this year, whereas he wasn’t last year. So maybe not SUB-replacement, but replacement level — though I know stats indicate worse. I was more looking at what Bob still sees in Marleau, and just giving an example. Personally, I don’t get STARTING Marleau on your second line tonight, I do get moving him up if you happen… Read more »
On the face-off violation call, have a feeling the linesman dropping the puck made an instinctive call and a moment or two later, realized what he’d done. Still, its up to the Sharks to kill the penalty, something they’d done pretty well vs the Blues this season.
Also worth nothing, in the past 3 games, Sharks have been called for too many men 3 times, a delay of game (vs the goalie) once and face-off violation once.
That’s a lot of penalty weirdness in 3 games
Yea, good point, Sharks beat once again on quick draw shot off PP faceoff — just like in Vegas. I thought about asking Bob on that, but he was plenty heated after game and there are bigger fish to fry.
[…] Bob Boughner was unhappy with the linesman calling Patrick Marleau on a faceoff violation – some San Jose Sharks fans were unhappy with fourth-liner Marleau taking John Leonard’s spot on the second line with Tomas Hertl and Timo Meier at the beginning of the middle frame. (San Jose Hockey Now) […]
[…] It’s rare that we see a faceoff violation called, but Patrick Marleau was called for one and almost immediately the St. Louis Blues scored on the power play. The San Jose Sharks are angry about the call. There’s a lot of levels to this, but here’s some perspective from SanJose Hockey Now’s Sheng Peng. (SanJoseHockeyNow) […]
Patty was a great player. Look at his stats. He is given way too many minutes on the ice. Boughner doesn’t help by changing lineups every game. No excuse for blowing those leads. We are not a good team, still no excuses. We need a legit coach. Vlasic is a shadow of his old self, should play less time. How is DW going to fix this train wreck of a team? Balcers gets tons of minutes, he is a guy that was waived. Boughner plays him like he was a big talent free agent pick up. Gregor should be there… Read more »
Bob hasn’t been perfect — team defense still could be MUCH better — but I think guys for most part have bought in and are playing his way. Results haven’t been there, but I think most of his ideas have been sound. That said, it is a train wreck, the contracts, don’t know how Wilson fixes that. On Balcers, Balcers has been better than Gregor, that’s simply it. Everybody knows Balcers is a waiver pick-up. But he’s also more tenacious on puck, better in tight spaces in Gregor. Gregor has speed and shot, but my observation, mostly a one-and-done player… Read more »
let’s be fair about the QoT difference. Balcers has played a lot with Timo and Hertl, whereas Gregor’s most common line mates were: Gambrell, PM, Nieto, and Donato. biggest difference statistically is defense-Balcers has been better. interesting that 2 of Gregor’s 3 goals came playing briefly with Timo and Hertl.
Gregor’s about a year and a half younger too. i’m willing to wait and see what a year of development mostly in the AHL will do for him.
I’m not discounting Gregor in the future — simply stating that Balcers has earned his place about Gregor right now. That includes getting to play with Hertl and Meier. As Erik noted on the Locked On podcast, the revolving door at second-line winger seems intentional — Leonard, Donato, Balcers have all received looks. Gregor, apparently, didn’t earn a real look. But Gregor is a solid talent, I think he has a good future